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On the whole i think we've been fair to you.We have allowed you to ask questions to gary.It is then up to anybody here what they then choose to do,if indeed they want to critically question gary and call his every move into account.
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rainbows wrote:
what forum members?
Oh you know, Rainbows - (how did it go now) ... the friendly and wonderfully welcoming members of this forum :wink:
_________________ "I am off to hide in the corner while the drunken middle aged sex fiends of the spiritlove forum bask in the humiliation of a once great skeptic" ~ Jon Donnis
Right first off. The quotes I made about oranges and sea salt were told to me by someone who is a medical profession and someone I turst. However did I not state in my talk that was my opinion only. I will check with this and if this person can provide evidence I will continue to state it but will provide evidence. If he can't provide the evidence I won't mention it. Kind of like when someone did quote about me being banned from the spiritualist church you all jumped on board and took it as real because I assume you trust the person that said it.
When you sceptics started your "investigation" of me was it not about Psychic Surgery. I havn't been asked or questioned about the surgery atall by you lot. Instead your looking for holes everwhere else.
With Trading standards yes they did come to my house because one of you lot (won't say who I think it is) on uk sceptics filed a complaint. However rading standards picked up on of of the testamonials that they asked to be changed (the couldn't inforcve it) I have stated here that when I went back and read the testamonial I found yes it did come across the wrong way and have changed it and am currently going through my sites to make any changes that are neccasary. Because I don't want to mislead anyone.
Yes I do state everywhere that I claim nothing and everything is my opinion because I have to by law. If I didn't I would be saying something very different. As of April I even have to go asfar as saying that my shows are purly for entertainment. Which is sad I think that anyone who is a spiritualist should have to state things they don't believe because of the law.
As for the 2 medical professions that I will approach in my own time. I spoke to my friend who is the physio yesterday and he told me northwick park recieved around 6 emails asking them about his existance. What was wrong with one email (bit persistant if you ask me). I know other people I have mentioned have recieved similar treatment. So from personal opinion am not in a hurry to mention anyones names until I have their full permission.
As I have clearly stated if I make a mistake then I hold my hands up and say I have. Read the forums I have admitted I have made mistakes with some things I have said, we all make mistakes. However your inital "investigation" is on Psychic Surgery is it not?
The sceptics have been to my demonstrations. You recorded the st James talk when it was already being filmed and you say noone asked questions. You were given the oppertunity to do it in front of 250 people, why did you not speak up?
These things that have been said saying there is no proff about healing e.t.c I have seen people have different forms of healing and their condition which doctors said couldn't be cured went away. However it's sad to say if their condition dissapears and they tell their doctor they have had healing the doctors don't put it in their notes or persue it futher. So that is why there is no evidence. Not because it doesn't happen but because it isin't recorded. It is the same for Psychics working for the police.
I have met Psychics that have done work for the police. However it is not offically rcorded and the Psychics are not paid for it sdo when you look at the forum on the uk sceptics where they talk to police stations that state that Psychics don't work for them that is your answer.
As I've said before if you don't believe that is your choice and I am not going to force you or anyone to come and see me. Most people who come to me do so because someone has recomended me. Because their friends have seen results. If noone was getting better I doubt I would be going for just under 2 years and have upto a 2 month waiting list. Yes I don't claim to cure anyone and I am sure you will find people who havn't benefitted from having healing with me. However you sceptics would probally only focus on that and not pay any attention to the ones that had found some benefit.
Can I just ask doubter if he/she has been treated by Gary?
And if so, were you cheated, defiled or abused by him?
If not, then why are you making it your business to expose him? I bring you back to my thoughts about standing by the road taking number plates of people using mobile phones whilst driving.
r-r, gary speaks of his opinion, his beleif. you then quote on gary speaking of his opinion and go on to say well your opinion is that he is a con-man and deluded fraud.
the difference is that your opinion is one that sates others and is a personal attack whilst gary his like he say just his opinion, which does'nt attack anyone.
shame this had to be explained to you.
you presume we here all believe everything gary says, when we just form an opinion and keep it private respecting others opinion at the same time. i have no idea if gary is fake or not but if a person does for whatever reason, i am in no place to question that and have no desire to.
it was qouted about his reception here and some comment about our own integrity.
you resent his reception as we are not rude and i think you hoped for us to turn on gary, we have'nt and this has not been what you hoped for so we are all now critised. we just ask questions and form our own opinions which we don't have to justify to anyone.
i do wish you would stop presuming we believe everything we hear. i have seem mediums who are fake and i have said so. we do not just hand them money and smile sweetly.
you are not in a position to question us and our sanity as we are not yours or anyones. we keep ourselves to ourselves and don't try to change your beliefs so out of common courtesy please don't question or critisise ours.
i would never waste my time on your sites as i have no place there as a believer and don't feel any remote need to. the same should be respected as you cannot remain polite and then say you are not attacking when it is clear that you are. if you hand was in the cookie jar and you were caught i think you would say it wasn't me.
anyway i am so glad i don't feel the need to critisise others belief or any desire to change it or slate it as i would feel so desolate inside.
expose the fakes and i say good on you for doing it, but you then draw the line as you let it spill over to rights of beliefs and beliitleing which is a different ball game altogether.
i suggest you leave our forum and we agree to disagree like adults. this is afterall a spiritual site that you have qouted as being warm and friendly. thank-you, but our warmth and frendliness comes from respecting each others beliefs, so please spare us your line of not being friendly to you, as you clearly don't. i am not wasting my time on this thread anymore as there is no point. what is very basic is just not getting through which is a shame.
Having been around the houses with skeptics in the past. When you tell them that there are real mediums, they ask for a named example. They then attempt to find a problem with that medium.
Mostly their attempts are aimed at the medium's private life or some quotation they made. This method of throwing dirt is just as much hearsay as anything printed in the tabloid press.
If a medium has any kind of blot in their copybook they jump on it, expose it, and say things like, if this person is capable of telling fibs about this, then their whole life must be a lie.
That's nonsense. There isn't a person alive who hasn't made a bad judgement, a mistake or even told a few lies. We are all only human.
Why are you not satisfied with just reporting him to Trading Standards or whatever other official bodies you can think of? I wonder where the line is drawn between religious harassment and what is considered reasonable debate, since you clearly persued Gary to this forum?
Questioning is good - but actively stalking is borderline criminal activity isn't it? Contemplate your intentions!
{Note: I mentioned borderline criminal activity in a sentence which was a question, because "only asking questions" isn't hurting anyone, is it?}
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The sceptics have been to my demonstrations. You recorded the st James talk when it was already being filmed and you say noone asked questions. You were given the oppertunity to do it in front of 250 people, why did you not speak up?
Further, as I understand it, a question was put to the audience at the introduction to that demonstration at St James's
"Is there anyone here from UK Skeptics?"
You chose to remain silent and incognito.
Neither did you put any questions to Gary on that occasion when the opportunity was openly offered. Why is that?
_________________ "I am off to hide in the corner while the drunken middle aged sex fiends of the spiritlove forum bask in the humiliation of a once great skeptic" ~ Jon Donnis
I have stated that i also dont know if garys healing works,but lets remember one thing here,he has already said that if nobody can afford they dont have to pay,not everybody would do this.Gary has amitted some errors,and has said he has and will further recify any more.I believe healing can work,i experiment myself and many people have witnessed this.Of course most skeptics chose to ridicule me too.I know of many people who have been to healers with success,the results cannot,maybe never can be put down to 100% of the healer,but i know people who have had medical conditions logged that had it for years and vanished after one or two sessions with a healer.
It is my right to say maybe gary can heal because maybe he can,its as simple as that at the moment until proven he cannot.
I think I will duck out of this now, and definately not post again, because I haven't wanted to disrupt your board.
But Daniel, no hard feelings, and if you ever feel like exercising the more rational part of your brain and understanding logic, you can find some information here:
The rest of you can kneel down in front of Gary and praise him for ever more. He truly is a skilled conman and I love his excuses. In fact I see a new career as a parrot - he only recites what others tell him!
I see you have managed to display the traits of incredulity and criticism; all that remains is for you to imrove on your suspended judgement and systematic doubt. Your little jibe about us kneeling down and praising Gary forever more is laughable and shows that what really matters to you is scoring cheap points, however desparate they are. Once you come back with your conclusive proof that Gary is a conman, then you may mock. Until then I suggest you adopt the skeptical approach that anything that remains unproven be approached with an open, if critical, mind. That's what we do here on this forum.
righto,i'll start.to rancid rob---specifically please..why do you call gary a crook?
2 of the medical professionals he said he worked with do not exist. The other said she has not seen him in a year.
He has not worked at the House of Commons as as Psychic Medium. He offers hypnotherapy, and even teaches it, with no qualifications. Several of his testimonials are written by himself, or his committee.
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well, there's the fact that he charges an extortionate amount of money for his "healing" sessions (which he claims is for "his time"). Either way, this is not in line with the true nature of spiritual healing
_________________ "I am off to hide in the corner while the drunken middle aged sex fiends of the spiritlove forum bask in the humiliation of a once great skeptic" ~ Jon Donnis
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I don't think he quite stated that he "worked" at the House of Commons; there was mention in one of his brochures that he had demonstrated many places, even at the House of Commons - and I understand he did give a demonstration there with at a Charity fund-raising event.
_________________ "I am off to hide in the corner while the drunken middle aged sex fiends of the spiritlove forum bask in the humiliation of a once great skeptic" ~ Jon Donnis
I don't think he quite stated that he "worked" at the House of Commons; there was mention in one of his brochures that he had demonstrated many places, even at the House of Commons - and I understand he did give a demonstration there with at a Charity fund-raising event.
KitKat
This is direct from one of Gary's sites
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I have worked as a Psychic Medium in many different ways
For a Text Psychic Company
On T.V
In Person
Even at the House of Commons.
He did explain that a local MP turned up at a charity event he did some reading at, . That is not the same as what he claims on that site.
ahh,he said he got the names in a pickle,what one didnt exixt at all?
Yes, he got them in a pickle. He says he works with GPs but can't mention their names for professional reasons. Then he mentions that Manesh Naidoo is Head Physiotherapist at Northwick Park Hospital. He/she isn't.
He also mentioned
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Dr Glen Davies - Homeopatic Doctor, with over 30 years experiance.
No one can find any homeopathic Dr of this name.
Did he ever get back to you with the correct names?
Gary has developed new skills. I have found out a bit about "ribbon-reading", but can anyone here explain some of the other abilities he has?
Gary Mannion
Clairvoyant Medium and Psychic Surgeon
Date: Sunday 4th May 2008
9.30am – 5.30pm (plus optional evening walk)
Venue: Nash Manor, Horsham Rd, Steyning, W. Sussex. BN44 3AA.
Cost: £50 including a set two course organic lunch and refreshments.
Bed & Breakfast is available at £35 twin/double occupancy or £40 single occupancy.
Every human being has the ability to be psychic and communicate with the spirit world.
There are many techniques you can use to accomplish this. During this intensive
workshop you will get the chance to find out which methods work best for you.
In a very safe and loving environment, Gary will demonstrate various ways to connect
with your Psychic powers, including:-
Clairvoyance, Clairaudience, Psychometry, Angel Cards, Ribbon Reading, Sand Reading, Flower Reading, Pendulum Dowsing, Scrying, Channelling, Mind Reading, Remote Viewing, Telekinesis and Healing.You will be guided and given full instructions throughout the day. This workshop will
not only give you the opportunity to practice but also to receive the benefits of exploring
these gifts as you work with others.
The day will conclude with a controlled séance which will run in a completely safe way
with optional participation.
I don't think he quite stated that he "worked" at the House of Commons; there was mention in one of his brochures that he had demonstrated many places, even at the House of Commons - and I understand he did give a demonstration there with at a Charity fund-raising event.
KitKat
This is direct from one of Gary's sites
Quote:
I have worked as a Psychic Medium in many different ways
For a Text Psychic Company
On T.V
In Person
Even at the House of Commons.
He did explain that a local MP turned up at a charity event he did some reading at, . That is not the same as what he claims on that site.
Hi all, I will try and make sure I answer eryones questions but if I don't answer yours please post again!
The names mentioned in the past are real people 2 have now been contacted. Dr Gowri says she has not seen me in a year and that is true but I did work at her clinic before and did not leave on bad terms.
Manny is very happy to recomend me. I did get his position wrong he is not the head physiotherpaist that was my mistake which I admit I got mistaken.
The other person I will not correct the spelling unless he comes forward and does so himself.
As for charging loads. I charge £35 for Psychic Surgery. A lot of people will spend more then that a week on Alchol and smoking. I also don't charge those who can't afford it.
As for the course at Nash it is £50 for the course, a 2 course meal, tea and snacks throught the day, Room hire, My petrol, Equiptment used on the day, Information that will be given to you to take away, Tax. When you add it all up I don't actually make that much from the course.
The house of comms event as I have stated (though I may not done so on here sorry if I havn't) I did a charity event at the House of Commons a couple of years ago for a charity called helping hands. It was there to raise money for childrens charities in and around Harrow. The MP leading that was Tony Mcnaulty (soz can't spell) he was head of police I believe at the time. The site it was mentioned on is one of my own and parts of it have not been updated in over 2 years. I mentioned that on the about me page quite a while ago when I was still starting out. I did not state any lies as I did do readings at the house of commons. I then forgot all about that page. As I said I havn't updated tjhat in over 2 years. When the sceptics started talking about the house of commons I was unaware where they had got that information from until they pointed the site to me which you will now find is under construction. As I do think reading it now it may seem mis-leading.
As I've stated in the past I am only trying to help people and not to con people. Therefore if you go on my site now you will see a page on Psychic Surgery explainign what to expect. Also when I have made mistakes or misquoted myself I have redrawn the statments happily and held my hands up to the fact I have made that mistake.
I hope that was all the questions. Sorry if I missed yours.
Wow didn't mean to draw so much attention! I'm doing my work trying to help people thorugh healing e.t.c if people aren't intrested or don't believe i'm not going to try and force it down your thrats. The majority of my clients are from word of mouth. They come from people who have seen and experianced me work. All I am trying to do is to help someone who is in pain or sufering get better!
These 2 comments I was given by what I would treat as a reliable source. I have asked the person for the evidence to provide it for you al. As of yet I have not recieved it and will make sure I will not state any comments unless I have the evidence at hand. Even if it comes from someone who I know and trust. In the mean time I am sorry to have stated this comment without the evidence at hand.
the other thread where rob said you agreed to be tested..how do you propose to do this? if healing can work over several sessions this can prove tricky.
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Hi Gary, Hope you are well.
This is the first thread I've read on this forum and I've found it quite fascinating. Of course I believe that psychics and mediums exist. There's so many here for a start. Whilst there may be some con artists and some deluded people that doesn't mean that there's not a genuine phenomenon to be explored. I've been developing a theory that many psychic events may be explained by a mass unconscious mediated by our own non-verbal communication.
Your experiences however are not so easily explained and I'm very excited about them. Not only have you experienced these miracles but you've shared the experience with so many others.
I'm interested firstly in one particular testimonial on one of your websites.
Robert Williams: Aged 50, Newport Robert came to see me for Dermatomyosytis disease (muscle wasting disease which destroys the immune system). It also has given him a extremely high blood pressure which caused the blood vessel in his left eye to burst leaving him blind in that eye. While driving home from his first session he found his left eye stinging. After a couple minutes of this stinging he found he could read license plate numbers with the eye that minutes ago was blind. He is now also off his medication because his immune system is now working in the correct way. His doctor has told him he is doing the best out of all the other people he has seen with that condition. He will happily recommend me to anyone.
This is very interesting. With many cases of healing the sceptics have latitude to say that the disease cured itself. But from the little research I've done suggests that Dermatomyositis is incurable by conventional medicine. They can only treat the symptoms.
You say Robert is happy to recommend you to anyone. Would you be able to arrange for him to answer a few questions for me. I'm interested in
When he was medically diagnosed?
What medications has he been on and was on at the time of the treatment from Abraham?
His prognosis at the time of treatment?
In what way do his doctors say his immune system changed?
Of secondary interest is the blindness in one eye. This sounds like Hypertensive Retinopathy. Apparently this can go away on its own.
However the same questions apply to the blindness.
When was this medically diagnosed.
What medications has be been on and was he on at the time of the treatment from Abraham?
What was his prognosis at the time of the treatment. What was his blood pressure?
In what way do his doctors/opticians say his eye has changed since the treatment.
What is his blood pressure now?
Sceptics charge that the potential damage that charlatans in this field can do is not only in charging for fraudulent services but in delaying competent medical treatment from science based medicine. As such I would only ever recommend complementary therapy to be used alongside conventional medicine rather than as an alternative. This will protect against possible charlatans.
Not that I'm calling you a charlatan at all but I'd be interested in your view of conventional medicine.
Are you amenable to working alongside conventional medicine?
Do you ever tell your patients that they no longer need to take medication prescribed by their doctors?
If patients tell you they want to stop taking their prescribed medication in favour of your healing do you tell them to consult a doctor?
In this instance whose idea was it for Robert of come off his medications, Yours (or Abrahams), his or his doctor's?
I guess that's probably enough questions for now I don't want to swamp you with my first post.
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garymannion wrote:
When we do a table tipping seyance we eliminate the possability of someone moving the table. Also once a table is off the ground it is hard for anyone to be lifting it when everyone around the table couldn't lift it prior to starting. I taught a Psychic Development course over the weekend and we had a documentry team with us and they filmed the seyance. I should get the footage soon and will pop it on the website as soon as I can.
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draw so much attention gary is an understatement there has been 82 peeps on here lol mmm i wonder why personally i wouldnt explaine myself to no one but i can see why you do go gary lmao cause i usually sit on the fence and just read but you made me laugh about the attention and answered my question to why this was so busy today enjoy peeps loobsx
When we do a table tipping seyance we eliminate the possability of someone moving the table. Also once a table is off the ground it is hard for anyone to be lifting it when everyone around the table couldn't lift it prior to starting. I taught a Psychic Development course over the weekend and we had a documentry team with us and they filmed the seyance. I should get the footage soon and will pop it on the website as soon as I can.
Love and Light Always Gary Mannion
would love to see this gary please
Save your time, Derren Brown did this EXACT trick on his recent tv show.
When we do a table tipping seyance we eliminate the possability of someone moving the table. Also once a table is off the ground it is hard for anyone to be lifting it when everyone around the table couldn't lift it prior to starting. I taught a Psychic Development course over the weekend and we had a documentry team with us and they filmed the seyance. I should get the footage soon and will pop it on the website as soon as I can.
Love and Light Always Gary Mannion
would love to see this gary please
Save your time, Derren Brown did this EXACT trick on his recent tv show.
Gary,How do you eliminate the possibility of someone movng the table?
Gary,How do you eliminate the possibility of someone movng the table?
Why are you asking him for?
He wont reveal his tricks to you on here, no more than a magician would.
The truth be known that anytime anyone is in direct contact with the table they are moving it.
Only way true levitation can be achieved is if NO ONE is anywhere near the table, and even then I have seen magicians perform incredible levitation tricks.
Dont believe in such nonsense when magicians do the exact same tricks only better
Gary,How do you eliminate the possibility of someone movng the table?
Why are you asking him for? He wont reveal his tricks to you on here, no more than a magician would.
The truth be known that anytime anyone is in direct contact with the table they are moving it. Only way true levitation can be achieved is if NO ONE is anywhere near the table, and even then I have seen magicians perform incredible levitation tricks.
Dont believe in such nonsense when magicians do the exact same tricks only better
I never said i believed it.I wanted to ask his opinion.Thats the way to make up our minds about things bp-to know as much as you can,even if Gary doesnt answer it answers something..
I have never done table tipping in a controlled situation,
but,I have seen it,
years ago we were playing with a Ouija board and things got out of control
there was pandemonium going on it was very scary and the table went up
about 6 inches came down and went back up again.
NO nobody tried lifting it,it was a big dining table and the whole table came off the floor.
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and a laugh is free.x
Im very sceptical of table tipping /lifting , i think people could lift it not realising.So even if i participated it wouldnt do me any good.I'd want the table to lift when there's nobody near it.
I have never done table tipping in a controlled situation, but,I have seen it, years ago we were playing with a Ouija board and things got out of control there was pandemonium going on it was very scary and the table went up about 6 inches came down and went back up again.
NO nobody tried lifting it,it was a big dining table and the whole table came off the floor.
Lol
Out of control.
You mean a bunch of woos let their imaginations take over them, and someone had a laugh and lifted the table a bit.
It was done nearly 30 yrs ago,
well before I even thought about spiritualism,
The table was not lifted a bit the whole table raised in the air
not just one end,
and it was a 6 seater dining table of the old fashioned heavy type.
Also it was the most scariest thing we all witnessed.
_________________ A smile costs nothing,
and a laugh is free.x
It was done nearly 30 yrs ago, well before I even thought about spiritualism,
The table was not lifted a bit the whole table raised in the air not just one end, and it was a 6 seater dining table of the old fashioned heavy type. Also it was the most scariest thing we all witnessed.
David Berglas does the exact same trick.
And i am sure your memory of something 30 years ago is perfect!
I cant remember what i watched on tv yesterday lol.
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Thing is though - when something unusual or out of the ordinary happens to you, you DO remember everything surrounding that event in the greatest detail, no matter what age you were or how long ago it happened. It will be something that's firmly and permanently imprinted on your mind.
I probably wouldn't remember what I watched on telly yesterday - EXCEPT something 'out of the ordinary' DID happen, and that's something I will always remember - vividly. (The Liverpool/Everton footie match where Everton scored the only goal right at the very end - when the powers that be suddenly decided to switch to the adverts - and everybody missed the goal!)
the 6 that was doing it was my closest friends.
who I am still friends with now.there was no one else in the room
and it frightened all of us.
My memory is fine you ignorant little skunk
and in maybe in 30 years time,you can think back
and say to your self boy I was an opinionated little so and so
AND I HAVE BROUGHT MYSELF DOWN TO YOUR LEVEL BY NAME CALLING.
BUT HEY I DON'T GIVE A CRAP.
_________________ A smile costs nothing,
and a laugh is free.x
Yes-you know i can be sceptical too ,there's a right way and a wrong way,im not saying i always get it right but some need to lay off and treat us with decency,it will help them in their cause , some believers will switch on to them more readily and be more willing to hear them out and seriously consider what they have to say.They will gain more supporters and as you said earlier -thats what they want !
All i want is for them to lay of the personal attacks -they can still give their opinions and disagreements without being cruel.
ps -I like your new word game -im trying now to fill in those blanks.
In thirty years from now -i hope your manners have improved !
You dont know that every paranormal thing reported is false-you can't know that!
No i dont, but i do know that every paranormal thing ever examined by science IN HISTORY has been shown to be NOT paranormal, and infact NORMAL.
So going by that there is a good chance that when someone makes a claim THEY CANNOT PROVE that it is infact false.
Its called common sense, us young people have lots of that you know, thats why we dont believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden, or get conned by dodgy double glazing salesmen.
You old folk need looking after whether you like it or not.
It's up to the 26th today but documentary is not showing!
Yes, I saw that too. But Jon Donnis says he has emailed Emeka who says it is definitely going out on the 26th -
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Young Psychic and Possessed.
Confusion. But the Radio Times probably has to be planned at least 2 weeks ahead, and I would expect the producer would know when his film is to be broadcast.
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Let's go find him and pinch his beer.
